"So we have these vast convoluted processes of people doing bullshit jobs of incredible complexity, but for no apparent purpose.
There is a definite appetite for doing things differently, for experimenting. ...
...As we all learnt in lockdown in our confinement, we became an amateur artist, we became amateur cooks, we became amateur bakers. We are a species that likes to do work, and I can imagine a world where we might end up all doing the work we love instead of doing some crappy job that we don't want to do. And a world in which everybody did what they want would be a world that is much richer and much more productive in the things that actually matter to most people."